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#1215
From: "Linda & John Garvey"
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 1:30 am
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial linda_g7us
Hi PJ and all --
I've been wondering, with regard to psi activities in general, could it be
that people are running into competition between left-brain and right-brain
thinking/information processing, rather than conscious/unconscious mind
conflicts?
Isn't it true that the right hemisphere of our brain is said to be dominant
in such matters as creativity, intuition, flexibilty in organization of
information, and so forth -- whereas the left hemisphere focuses on such
matters as logic, linear thinking/analyzing, strict rules, adherence to
protocols and methods, score-keeping, etc.?
It seems to me that in our society, most of our training is in left-brain
thinking. If psi abilities tend to use our right-brain skills, we might
have to quiet our left-brain activity in order to succeed with psi
endeavors, and try to develop right-brain dominance while developing and
using our psi skills.
Just a thought there...
:) Linda G
"The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even
if a stubborn one."
-- Albert Einstein --
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#1227
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial maliolana
Aloha PJ,
I think I treat my subs with friendship/love...I try to give them some of
the physical pleasure/emotions... we enjoy as humans...that they are not
always privy to...at least openly...as a kind of treat...an entrance to
my 'now' Dawna world...in return for not interfering with my
efforts...except to allow the psi portal to open and my future self to
send/relay/reveal data......or is it my conscious self that I must
placate?...or a conbination of the many?...ummm
More than trying to trick them...(which I think is kinda funny...even
though some of them do try to trick me)...I try to find new ways to
please/thank them for helping me in my little 'now' quest...and my subs
demand to be treated nicely/sweetly/and with joy...they seem to truly
enjoy the adventure...as long as I am...
Sometimes I just jump right in there and expect them to cooperate...but
then a second thought always comes in to remind me to say helow and share
some love with them and get them to want to join in on the fun...cause
they love me...at least this is the type of conversations I have with
my many selves...
I may be afraid of the scary stories I hear from others...just a
bit...but I don't think I am afraid of psi...per se...Of course I have
not been confronted by too much that is scary or awful...yet......I
have experienced far worse things in 'real' life...
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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#1235
From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial docsavagebill
Hi Dawna,
Again... I do this to TRICK THE CONCIOUS MIND NOT THE
SUBCONCOIOUS MIND. It's the subconcious I want in its
purest form.. unadulterated with concious beliefs or
bias..
Bill*
>--- Weatherly-Hawaii...m wrote:
> I think I treat my subs with friendship/love...
>[snip]
> .....or is it my conscious
> self that I must
> placate?...or a conbination of the many?...ummm
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#1234
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial kboyken
Dawna and Eva, this kind of relationship with the subconscious--placating
the subconscious, seeing it as a computer--is fascinating to me. My
experience has been that the subconscious is the doorway to forces much
larger and wiser than myself. It seems to me that the thrust of the
lessons life has been trying to teach me is to quit trying to be in
charge and let whatever is behind the doorway do the driving. If
there's a screw-up or orneriness anywhere in my system, it's most likely
to be found in "me," not my subconscious. It's really interesting to me
that the opposite approach seems to work for others.
Karl
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Karl Boyken
kboyken...t
http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken/
We dance 'round in a ring and suppose,
while the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
--Robert Frost
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#1238
From: "Nita"
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial nitahickok
Hi Everyone
Anyone with problems subs should read Concentration a guide to mental
mastery by Mouni Sadhu. I have it as part of some lessons I will be teaching
in another area.
Nita
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#1244
From: Richard Krankoski
Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial Rich_crv
> Bill Pendragon wrote:
> Again... I do this to TRICK THE CONCIOUS MIND NOT THE
> SUBCONCOIOUS MIND. It's the subconcious I want in its
> purest form.. unadulterated with concious beliefs or
> bias..
That brings up an interesting thought. How do we know the SC is not
adulterated with beliefs from some other source? What is it that creates
fetishes or uncontrollable drives or our everyday actions and responses to
events and people.? How does one know the SC is not biased?
Rich
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Moderator's note: Maybe it's the seat of Possession. ;-) PJ
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#1254
From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial docsavagebill
It undoubtedly is Rich,
I don't want to invent models of psi..I'll leave that
to others.. but the one I work with is
PATHWAY#1...
concious--> SC-- > {{target information (matrix?)}}-->
SC-->concious.
We can also go VIA pathway #2:
Concious--> SC-->{ target.and/or.not target}-->SC-->
Concious
I'm not sure how to always get pathway #1 vs
#2..
However the third pathway is the one I want to avoid :
#3 Co
uncious BS --> SC BS^2 -->( ?????lost in space
zone)-->SC BS^3--> unconcious Zone.." Solar flare will
cause World to end soon"
> --- Richard Krankoski wrote:
> That brings up an interesting thought. How do we
> know the SC is not
> adulterated with beliefs from some other source?
> What is it that creates
> fetishes or uncontrollable drives or our everyday
> actions and responses to
> events and people.? How does one know the SC is not
> biased?
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#1249
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:07 am
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial kboyken
> That brings up an interesting thought. How do we know the SC is not
> adulterated with beliefs from some other source? What is it that creates
> fetishes or uncontrollable drives or our everyday actions and responses to
> events and people.? How does one know the SC is not biased?
It's my entirely subjective impression that strong drives arise from
strong stuff I've repressed. The more I become familiar with the
parts of me I've stuffed down, the less they insist on making their
presence known via strong urges. I'm not sure what adulterated or
biased would mean, in terms of the subconscious. I've never
encountered anything that wasn't "me" in some way.
(Please note that I am not publically admitting to having fetishes
or uncontrollable drives. I'm completely normal. Really.)
Karl
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#1264
From: Richard Krankoski
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial Rich_crv
> Karl Boyken wrote:
> (Please note that I am not publically admitting to having fetishes
> or uncontrollable drives. I'm completely normal. Really.)
Reminds me that..... there are gobazillions of people having fantasies about
various celebrities. Does this in any way remotely influence those celebrities?
Rich
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Moderator's note: You're on a roll of fresh ideas, Rich! Yay. Hey I really
wanted to say something after Karl's post, like, if he's normal, what the hell
is he doing in RV. LOL. Re: Celebrities: if psychic rapport is possible, then
celebrities are probably very influenced by the public nature of things. Perhaps
that is why, despite other obvious factors in the showbiz life, so many of them
are so whacked eventually. Maybe the psychic result is a "pressure" they
perceive and react to but don't know why. I have wondered about this myself over
the years. -- PJ
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#1270
From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: INfulencing celebrities docsavagebill
Rich,
Urk..I tried explaining the session on Madonna's best
sex ever.. and afterwards it occurred to me that maybe
it was the best she ever had, because 10 classes of
RVers had tuned into it (retroactively) energizing it
to be her best... anyway that's what my SC told me.
Bill*
> --- Richard Krankoski wrote:
> Reminds me that..... there are gobazillions of
> people having fantasies about
> various celebrities. Does this in any way remotely
> influence those celebrities?
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#1276
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 9:03 am
Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial maliolana
Aloha Karl,
I am not sure what you are talking about in this post...I most certainly
do not consider my many selves as simply a computer...but as a partial
definition the truth will out!......I see them as all the transitory
stages I have lived through in my life...Layers to the onion....
The sacred is not only without Karl...It is in every cell of every living
thing as well as the ether/rocks/etc....Most of my beliefs are earth
based...I am an animal/primate/ mammal...as well as a spiritual
being...and celebrate them equally...and together... when I am lucky
enough to get the time...
Seems to me many of the spiritual critters... would love to be incarnate
again...
I know my spirit is grateful...and so are my many selves...You should
reread what we were talking about....I think you missed the many
points...we were trying to express...Nothing quite so sterile as a
computer...at least not like the one I am typing on now...It should be so
lucky!...hahahah
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
Dawna and Eva, this kind of relationship with the subconscious--placating
the subconscious, seeing it as a computer--is fascinating to me. My
experience has been that the subconscious is the doorway to forces much
larger and wiser than myself. It seems to me that the thrust of the
lessons life has been trying to teach me is to quit trying to be in
charge and let whatever is behind the doorway do the driving. If
there's a screw-up or orneriness anywhere in my system, it's most likely
to be found in "me," not my subconscious. It's really interesting to me
that the opposite approach seems to work for others.
Karl
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