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#3725
From: "Elizabeth Hambrook"
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 3:50 am
Subject: Re: RV by the blind ozblueriver
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> I wonder if they would get any visuals
> in their heads, or if they would if they'd ever had sight.
I've read that blind people only have internal vision if they have had vision at
some stage in their lives. According to the author, people who are blind from
birth don't ever get internal vision.
cheers Liz
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That makes sense, as I have experiential reason to believe that vision is a
multi-level psychological process based on visual input, not a simple thing.
Still it does lead us to wonder, given the 'amplification in compensation' of
other senses by those with one deprived, if persons blind, or deaf, or for that
matter even wheel-chair bound, might be more driven and/or more intense in
developing psi ability, if they did. PJ
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#3726
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 6:34 am
Subject: Re: RV by the blind maliolana
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> I wonder if blind
> people would be good at RV. I wonder if they would get any visuals
> in their heads, or if they would if they'd ever had sight.
I saw some documentaries on the new research into restoring some vision
to the blind...with implants...It seems as if they are getting some of
the same stuff... i have gotten in RV sessions...the energy lines on a
black background...Shades of light/grey...
I imagine they also have to learn what these images mean...Some
experienced a bit of color restoration...but no matter the level of sight
restoration...they were all extremely stoked...
I know those that have had vision at one time...Say they can still 'see'
clearly in their dreams/minds eye...and when they 'wake' up...they always
at first expect to be able to see...and every day...they have to
experience... re-realization of blindness to some degree upon waking...So
even bits of color are invaluable to them,...
I have wondered about that myself... the blind since birth...
especially...
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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#3729
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 9:17 am
Subject: Re: RV by the blind kboyken
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People who are born blind and have NDEs report having visual experiences during
their NDEs. See, for example:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence03.html
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Karl Boyken
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We dance 'round in a ring and suppose,
while the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
--Robert Frost
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#3738
From: "terri8008"
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: RV by the blind terri8008
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Several years ago I took on a student, a kid, from a foreign country,
i'm American.
His english was broken at best, but he persisted and insisted.
I patiently and impatiently worked with him for about 9 months, his
sessions were not good- a dozen words at most and mostly all the same.
There was finally a point when ERV clicked for him, and
my 'method'.. (which he was forever trying to arguably alter).
He totally nailed a target I had posted to a list and the sub target
I included.
He was the only one out of 12 that did it.
An aperture opened it seems.
Thing is with this kid, what no one publicly ever knew was he was
legally blind from birth. Whereas most folks thought all I had to
deal was broken english and a spoilt child... I did have (suppressed)
doubt that possibly he just couldn't do it, couldn't sense, gain any
impression of... what I had seen all my life and taken for granted,
the physical universe.
I think he yearned to RV in hopes of 'seeing' or seeing more and or
clearly.
Anyway . . . . he grew up and married a beautiful gal and now teaches
ERV in his country.
all the best, Terri.
Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted.
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#3739
From: "Elizabeth Hambrook"
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 3:28 am
Subject: Re: RV by the blind ozblueriver
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http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence03.html
Hi Karl,
thanks for the great link. It was fascinating. I love NDE stories.
I read about congenitally blind people not having inner vision in Robert Bruce's
book, "Astral Dynamics". So either he is mistaken or NDE's might be more
conducive to restoring vision.
I have always thought it would be great to teach blind people to find their
inner vision. I've read a couple of stories on the net about blind folk who can
see their environment with inner vision. It's such a thrill to read that sort of
story.
There are also a coupe of interesting stories about the psychic kids of China
who can see the physical world while blindfolded.
cheers Liz
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#3722
From: "pjgaenir"
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 1:25 am
Subject: RV by the blind pjgaenir
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Wild thought. Fully blind people in their experience pretty much have
to go through the experience/description of everything before they
get to the label, with a few common exceptions. I wonder if blind
people would be good at RV. I wonder if they would get any visuals
in their heads, or if they would if they'd ever had sight.
PJ
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#3734
From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: RV by the blind docsavagebill
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Hi PJ,
Well accoring to Terri and Monka they would do better.
As they would use ONLY sensories and avoid visual
AOL.s .
It was very interesting post by Karl showing that near
death visions of blind people include visuals. I would
encourage any blind person to learn Rv. I'm sure most
would do very well.
BTW talking about handicaps, Rob Abbott an excellent
psychic viewer, was deafened by a high fever before 2
years of age, and he thinks being in a silent world
aided his psi develeopement. He acquired a low level
of hearing when 16 after using healing techniques
learned partially by a ghostly friend.
Best Regards,
Bill
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#3736
From: "Monika Preston"
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 12:44 am
Subject: RE: RV by the blind karimchris
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Hi Bill,
Don't know why you imply that I said blind people would potentially be good
Rviewers.
I have never talked to a blind person about psychic abilities; however,
blind people depend on their senses of hearing, smell, taste to manage daily
tasks. Whether their handicap has an advantage for RV, I would not know.
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Sorry for the confusion Monika. He was responding to my comment wondering if
they would be. -- PJ
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#3743
From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 12:56 pm
Subject: RE: RV by the blind docsavagebill
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Hi Monika,
Actually it's because as you and Terri reminded us,
visuals tend to produce stray cats and sensories are
less likely. So a person blind from birth would
avoid many stray cats, and therefore might indeed
better RVer. And as Terri points out it would give
them an alternative way to "view " the world,..G
Best Regards,
Bill
> Don't know why you imply that I said blind people
> would potentially be good
> Rviewers.
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#3750
From: "terri8008"
Date: Thu Jan 8, 2004 7:20 pm
Subject: OY terri8008
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PJ, what happened to the Liam and Mell Riley interviews.. or did I
miss something?
I've had my incoming mail stuff.. mail box blocked for a bit, and
only realized recently that this list was still/or alive..
~T~
~Fish . . . . . or cut bait~
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Fish or cut bait? You in a hurry Terri? ;-)
Mel's last segment will be finished before long.
Bill's is just beginning. They're underway.
As I had the list basically out of service for four months,
I put a pause on the interviews, obviously.
Now that it's operating again, I've already contacted both of them,
and they're generously willing to resume our plans.
So, it won't be too much longer. PJ
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#3740
From: "elittlestar P. R."
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 7:16 am
Subject: RE: Re: RV by the blind elittlestar
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HI,,
I'm not trying to put salt on the birds tail here.
but does any one know the difference between ,,, blind and legally blind
because i knew someone who was considered legally blind but could still see
shapes and colors, n pick up thinks...
i was quite puzzled how he was considered legally blind... so from my
understanding there are degrees of blindness... and loss of hearing
also... ..
kind of like trying to find the pea under the cup, out of three cups.
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#3741
From: "pjgaenir"
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 8:48 am
Subject: Re: RV by the blind pjgaenir
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Hi Pame,
Here's the official definition:
"According to the entry on blindness in the Yahoo! Health
Encyclopedia, anyone with vision worse than 20/200 that cannot be
improved with corrective lenses is considered legally blind. In
addition, people with a visual field of less than 20 degrees diameter
(10 degrees radius) are also considered legally blind.
The American Optometric Association states that a person with 20/20
vision can clearly identify a row of 9mm letters from 20 feet. A
legally blind person with vision of 20/200 has to be as close as 20
feet to identify objects that people with normal vision can spot from
200 feet. So a legally blind person needs a distance of two feet to
spot the letters on a standard eye chart that is 20 feet away."
I might add that I am way beyond legally blind in both eyes--except
that mine can be corrected with contacts or glasses, so it doesn't
count. I can pretty much shake someone's hand and see only a blur for
their face if I'm not wearing corrective lenses; anything across the
room might as well be on mars unless it's at least 2' in diameter
with no detail. Which is really annoying. I am hoping to get lasic
eye surgery before my vision is beyond the point where I can. -- PJ
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#3745
From: "smitty97006"
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: RV by the blind smitty97006
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> "pjgaenir" wrote:
> ..... I might add that I am way beyond
>legally blind in both eyes--except
> that mine can be corrected with contacts
>or glasses, so it doesn't
> count.
Do you think this has helped your "psi muscle" so to speak. One of
the things my teacher suggested I do was use what she casually
referred to as blind persons sight to pick up dimensional data. To
better understand this she suggested I turn off all the lights in
house, motel room, etc and walk around a bit, after a short while
you'd begin to sense when something was right in front of you, such
as a wall etc. She suggested I remember that feeling or sense when
gathering dimensional data, and it did seem to help. I would think
that someone such as yourself might have a higher developed sense of
this and that would translate into some use in an RV session,
particularly in dimensionals. Perhaps this is not unlike Lynn B
suggesting people practice gathering a places aesthetic or overall
feel whenever they visit somewhere new as something that would help
them in an RV session (That's not his exact quote but the idea is
close enough to make the point I hope).
As a side note to this that might be of some use on the subject. My
teacher also has a very rare eye problem having to do with the rods
and cones such that one of it's affects is that she is completely
unable to look at something and know what color it is. In effect she
is completely 100% color blind and legally blind in sunlight. In any
event though unable to determine the color of something by looking at
it she seemed completely capable of getting correct colors in session.
Gene
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No, I don't. My vision was great till I was a teen, and only mildly nearsighted
for many years. So I don't think I have anything adaptive going for me in that
regard. It just occurred to me that since blind people might not get lost in
'visual naming' like ordinary viewers, they might have some benefit in RV. PJ
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#3755
From: "terri8008"
Date: Thu Jan 8, 2004 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: RV by the blind terri8008
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> Gene wrote;(Sniped an sniped)
> - understand this she suggested I turn off all the lights in
> house, motel room, etc and walk around a bit, after a short while
> you'd begin to sense when something was right in front of you, such
> as a wall etc.
. . . Very wise counsel IMO, but I would take it a step further.
Smell, stick your nose right on it all over (whatever, wall,
flooring, carpet, corner, chair, glass, hinge, metal, wood, leather,
plastic, book, threshold, ie how does an electrical outlet smell, etc
etc ), then taste.. taste it (whatever etc etc stick yur tongue on
it). (not the outlet)
Then back away shut that off and hear.
As a rule there are all sort of noises in the background you have
shut out or shoved down or aside.. suppressed-
theres a whole wide sensual world out there without or minus quote
unquote 3-d sight.
When I'm bogged down on a target I start tasting and smelling.
All kind of 'knowns' pop in.
Often sense go topsy-turvy outa whack ... where you might taste a
color, swallow a texture, or smell a nationality and hear how high
you are- salt water comes in at the back of my nose top of my throat
and fresh water comes in at the top of my right ear and down my
neck , way outside . . etc etc.
(but i'm weird... totally weird)
all the best, Terri
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it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.
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#3742
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: RV by the blind maliolana
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Aloha PJ,
The opthamologist told me last visit... that i was legally blind in one
eye...
Things are kinda blurry at times...and I can't read at all unless wearing
glasses...and objects frequently see ti disappear in a room...for a
while...
I am fairly certain the computer monitior has something to do with the
deterioration of my sight...
My son is in the AF...and he says they wear UV and is it LUV (?)
protective glasses...
Anyway they wear glasses for computer work ...that protects their eyes
from the electromagnetic radiation...I understand there is a screen to go
over the monitor... for that same protection...I got to look into that
... soon
As long as one has had sight I see no rreason why they can't view...but
the blind from birth are a whole nother story...If they can view... it is
with something other than visual memory/imagination...
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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#3744
From: "elittlestar P. R."
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 4:36 pm
Subject: RE: Re: RV by the blind elittlestar
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HI PJ
thanks for the info;
I've thought about the correction too... not yet ready!
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#3747
From: "Elizabeth Hambrook"
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: RV by the blind ozblueriver
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Hi Pame,
here in Oz you can be legally blind and still drive a car. Scary hey!
So I presume legally blind isn't totally blind, although I have my suspicions
with some drivers out there. LOL
cheers
Liz
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#3756
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: Re: RV by the blind maliolana
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Aloha Terri,
~It is common sense to take a method and try it; if it fails, admit
it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.
Franklin D. Roosevelt ~ {
Great quote...Mahalo...I have already added it to my collection
I 'm weird too...Is that bad?
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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