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#378 
	From: "Debra Woodrow" 
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 11:11 am
Subject: RE: RVing other people's minds 	msfxsts
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Joanie,

Once during an ERV session where we learned afterward we had been
targeted at a "friendly UFO" I had a most emotional experience, and it
was entirely pleasant. While none of this is strictly verifiable by it's
very nature, the entire class had experiences that dealt specifically
with their personal experiences. We were tasked to "find out what is
seen when the target 'looks at us'". I went further and continued to ask
'what will we have to become in order to be more like you?' and received
some very interesting answers.

The first problem was data streaming in so fast I had to ask for the
information to slow down considerably, then I worked diligently to
assign a symbol to each "concept" in order that I could work to retrieve
the information from deep theta. I managed to bring back 2 "concepts"
and a couple of questions answered that I have never forgotten and that
were dramatic for me at the time. It was a very emotional and lovely
experience. The first concept was assigned a symbol of a pile of wrecked
police cruisers, and simply stated, meant, "When you have no more need
for laws outside of yourselves, then you will be like us". The second
symbol was of a typical Christ figure with bleeding eyes (and as a
spiritualist, I actually said, "oh, come on, what is with this
'stigmata?' that's not me at all!) and the "CONCEPT" that was drilled
into me then was "When you cry tears of your own blood for the pain you
cause one another, then you will be more like us".

Then I got some additional information regarding Egyptian heiroglyphics,
and other things. I ended the session by looking for something to "give"
the being in return for my gratitude for the information, and when I
looked at my chest, it was transparent, and filled with little stars and
galaxies. At that point, I reached in and found a particularly bright
star, and handed it to the being as a symbol of my thanks. This had a
pronounced effect, and I felt showered suddenly with love and caring,
and couldn't contain my emotion upon recovering from the session. Ok,
for those of you that now think I'm nuts, I must say I had a few
concerns about that myself upon coming out of the session. So much so
that I felt weird about sharing this in the debrief afterwards. Then I
learned that everyone in the session had gone to this ship, many had
seen the same symbols I had mistaken for heiroglyphics, and several had
also talked to similar beings. I was completely astonished. I think this
is the most "emotional" session I had overall.

Hope that helps,

Deb (now in AL).

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#391 
	From: "Palyne Gaenir" 
Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: RE: RVing other people's minds 	dennanm
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On 4 Aug 2002 at 11:11, Debra Woodrow wrote:
> I ended the session by looking for something to "give"
> the being in return for my gratitude for the information, and when I
> looked at my chest, it was transparent, and filled with little stars and
> galaxies. At that point, I reached in and found a particularly bright
> star, and handed it to the being as a symbol of my thanks.

That's cool.  That is similar to archetype meditations.  You know, we probably
ARE filled with
stars and galaxies.... :-)

A long time ago, I was pretty hard-core about all targets requiring feedback
(someday) and so
forth.  But I've come to think that even anomalous targets -- even sometimes
done non-double-
blind -- can have real value for a viewer; not always in terms in viewing skill,
but the
"experiential" value, and the results on one's psychology and belief systems, is
not to be
dismissed.  (Even if we might not submit it to the Dept. of PreCrime, LOL -- so
what.)  That
sounds like a neat experience.

PJ

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#436 
	From: joan003...nk.net
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:55 am
Subject: Re: RE: RVing other people's minds 	joanie003
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Hi Debra and all,

Thank you so much for sharing your most beautiful experience.  (((sorry for
this delay...I'm not with it on the net these days :-) )

The first concept was assigned a symbol of a pile of wrecked
police cruisers, and simply stated, meant, "When you have no more need
for laws outside of yourselves, then you will be like us". >>

this made me think of indigenous laws such as rule by tradition not by law.

<< The second
symbol was of a typical Christ figure with bleeding eyes (and as a
spiritualist, I actually said, "oh, come on, what is with this
'stigmata?' that's not me at all!) and the "CONCEPT" that was drilled
into me then was "When you cry tears of your own blood for the pain you
cause one another, then you will be more like us".>>

Amen! and A-Woman!

reminds me of the Black Madonnas :-) and Kuan Yin and so many more...

xx oo,
joanie