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From: "PJ Gaenir"
Date: Sat Aug 24, 2002 11:46 pm
Subject: Sessions with Self (2.4) dennanm
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For the first time ever (beyond training official and unofficial), I did a
target recently that somebody
else picked out. Based on a photo he took years ago I think.
I didn't expect my first target to be a scrub tree. :-) On my reporting offbeat
contradictory AOL
results, which had ZERO relation to the target (Old West gestalt vs.
Space/Military/Missile
gestalt) he suggested "So the emotional hook to this image is my own feeling
about the place."
As that is feedback for me, you might say that whether he tasked it with that in
mind or not, it
became so retroactively once he told me that.
This qualifies as the most confusing session I have ever had.
[Not counting a session on ducks, which was such an "overlay" of some "dark
archetype" talking
to me that I seriously wondered if something was trying to give me a warning and
it was simply
coming to me the minute I 'tuned into myself' for the session...
And not counting a couple sessions which were not just off-target, but literally
of some OTHER
target, and my frustrated ego maintains that there is 'some reason' that I
described something
ELSE besides sheer aol drive or something....]
Though the data of the ground being dirt, hard but not desert, with some but not
lots of growth, and
rough/scratchy was there (you might say that's the basic descriptives), and some
that might
reflect the terrain barely seen on each side, otherwise, all the data was
just... different.
The session data-wise, I consider pretty much seriously offtarget. That is
fine. What I find really
INTERESTING is, where and why did certain data I got, come to me? Aside from
basic AOLs, I
am fascinated with the effects the tasker might have had on the target, which I
allow as I want to
learn from this, I've never had a tasker before.
Here's an example of a little clip from the multi-session data.
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Q. I'm lost. Give me colors.
A.
"Gray, gray, my life is gray...." (sound of song)
"Blue, blue, my world is blue..." (sound of song)
[prompt for data in general]
A. "Give me love, give me love, give me
PEACE ON EARTH..." (sound of song, clear emphasis on concept that last
words should be
on their own line, caps and underlined)
Q. Wow! That's cool. Can you do unique poetry with data too?
{I've had this in sessions before - data that comes in rhyming stanzas. I'm a
songwriter/poet since
age 7 or so, and actually I think my main "intuitive" practice in the past was
in the form of rhyme
one way or another, so I think this is why I tune into music and rhyme. be
careful what you ask
for!}
A.
There once was an Uncle named Sam
Who wanted to look like a lamb
But the more that he tried
The more people cried
Until one day finally -- BAM!
Q. My god! That's hilarious! Taking that - what was it, 'missile'-concept AOL
just a little
seriously, aren't we??
A. You asked.
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I haven't sent the tasker data yet. I told him I had a real confusion over a
cross between "Old
West" AOLs and "Space/Military/Missile" AOLs, and was confused as nothing
related to the
photo of scrub brush! That's really all he knows so far. Tonight I transcribed
hard copy for him of
the session data to snailmail. So actually his reading this post'll be the
first time he sees this
stuff. (This is just fyi.)
The tasker told me after that he spent a great deal of time in this location,
hiking in solitude, with a
lot going on in his head, particularly in the period after he came back from
Europe (a soldier in
WWII).
Now that is sort of interesting considering the data -- and the circumstance of
WWII and the US's
entry into it.
I can't believe I got an entire limerick as data. I mean that just boggles my
mind. I thought the
occasional rhyming stanzas were amazing, but an entire poem - especially as I
don't think I've
written more than 1 limerick in my entire life - is just amazing!
Most of the data that is physical is (a) sort of guessing, based on an ideogram
that seemed
somewhat familiar, or (b) totally wrong, or both. Most of the data that is
intangible/emotional, is a
bit odd, with a sort of... I can't even put a word to it, but I have had the
feeling myself in life, when
one is somewhat weary, and not sure about anything, a sort of "slightly numbed
on top with some
turbulence under". PTSD, I think! It's seemingly unspecific:
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A.
Things Change.
Look up at the sky.
There is always a solution.
There is usually a tomorrow.
[snip. data about feeling deeply vs. feeling shallowly]
These are the days of our lives.
In this target, it's just another day, on one hand.
But every day is an event, and every event is an explosion of feeling-energy
clothed in a stage
drama.
This target is not extreme. There is nobody dying here. No guts or glory. No
boring city overviews.
But "folded" within it, you could "draw out" emotion, LIFE, if you wanted.
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Ignoring the probably not-useful quality of the data, the last above was such an
interesting
sensation! I felt as if.... if you took a picture of any place/time... you
could draw a mental fine
vertical line anywhere, and at that point, "open it up", as if there was an
entire other dimension,
"going out the other side, through the inside", with feeling-data, and so on.
Like there is 3-D, and
then there is this.... other-D. Such a cool, subtle concept.
Of course it didn't even OCCUR to me to ASK for this data. Sheesh! I am SUCH an
airhead in
sessions!
I was very 'vaguely reminded', at the time I perceived this concept of the
super-fine vertical line
being where it would open up, of an "entity" experience I had with one of the
"Abramelin"'s (an
occult reference). To see him, I had to narrow my focus to the most micro-dot
imaginable, which
then elongated to the most fine vertical line (almost of light), and then you
had to expand that
horizontally - like opening a doorway - and then you could see into where he
was. I don't know if
this has any relation or not but I think so, I just don't know how to describe
it well. (The experience
is 'Abramelin on Invisibility', on the menu here:
http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/pjarchives/ )
Some data was confusing as it seemed to contradict itself. I was told in Q&A
the target was not
an event but was "about how people feel" at the target. But then data that
there were NOT people
at the target. And data-wise, I'd get a biological, and then nothing - totally
inconsistent, like I was
switching back and forth between two contradictory gestalts.
First, it was as if the feeling-at-that-location was itself a gestalt now, as
sure as the major
landscape shapes, and the issue of one individual, one point in time, was as
irrelevent to the
gestalt as one particular plant in one particular season is to a "forest" or
"nature" area.
Second, it vaguely reminded me of the feeling I've had when I've accidentally
gotten two photo
targets in one envelope. The data matches up with a combination of both, but
the sessions are
confusing, as there is X kind of data, and then not only Y kind of data, but no
more sense of X at
all, back and forth.
It occurs to me that when tasked on something in a manner that includes a length
of time -- not
just the moment of the photo, but pretty much all the major events or feelings
or experiences the
tasker has associated with a place he photographed -- you move out of the arena
of there being
any chance of validating data - it's either impossible to validate, or
everything could seem to match
"something" at some time -- such a session would have to be of value for
'experiential' reasons for
the viewer, more than data feedback reasons. And that has value too.
I also wondered about the tasking situation. When you just pick out someone
else's photo, the
target is only the photo. But when you are looking for targets, and pick out a
photo you yourself
took, especially of a place or area which has had meaning and experience with
you -- if you are
then looking at the photo, you also get, remembering how you felt when you took
the photo, or
who you 'were' then, like as part of the photo-as-target itself.
Now, the question of 'is the cameraman part of the target' is "NO" for practice
targets -- although I
once had a mini-rapport (full sense of 'being' someone else, but only for a
second) that I felt certain
was the man who'd taken the photo.
The old outbounder research often had the viewer describing certain perceptions
from or about the
outbounder and their thoughts or activities, as well as about the "surroundings"
of the outbounder,
which was generally "the target."
I am wondering if, in this kind of tasking case, the tasker, choosing a photo
they themselves took
previously, actually puts at least the gestalt of themselves 'into' the target
indirectly. So in "one"
perspective, you are looking at the man who is photographing the target. On
another level you are
simply looking at the target.
Separately when I get time, I will post some of my 'Sessions with Self' Q&A that
directly relates to
my viewing, personally, as opposed to the target. In many sessions I get some
of this, and some
is quite interesting.
PJ
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#614
From: SValkyre...
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 3:40 am
Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.4) svalkyre
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HI, PJ and others,
I am not trained in RV, but this incident with the picture reminds me
so much of something that is right on the edge of my awareness. What if you
were inside the camera? The darkness and then the opening and seeing around
you and the tie-in in your mind of old west/Westerns (?) which are mostly our
impressions through pictures taken through cameras.
A few times when I have gotten really confused, I was in a bizarre
part of reality, like I see you in the camera/in the place. Two overlaid
interlaced realities. You could have even been the film! The light from
outside imprinted on the film. You picked up on where you were for only an
instant. I've wondered about pictures, anyway, especially snapshots which
have been lying in a box together for years.
People get them out and look through them and there has to be some
amount of emotion that rubs off from picture to picture, IMHO. I have a box
of my uncle's photos that I went through yesterday, and intend to scan onto
my computer and collect onto a CD. Will the pics go to my nieces and nephews
with all the emotion, or just as pics? They don't really know these people,
many of them died before they were born. Anyway, I think we pick up on a lot
more than just the subject matter in the photo itself sometimes.
Just my thoughts! I loved all the poetry and rhyme, sometimes I get songs
and poetry just out of the blue, music from another time in my head, but I
can't record it! Frustrating...
Smiles, green grass, cat claw and poison ivy going nuts in the forest! and
me,
Deni
Silver Valkyre
May we all have light sufficient for our path, and may some light the path
for others.
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Moderator's note: Thanks for the ideas! Alas, if I were that willing to look
for validation I'd have no hope for RV. Some trainers call that 'waffling' --
when one is simply wrong, but then looks for any potential answer in the
universe to why they are wrong. I do look to understand why I get data that is
not accurate, but it's more about wondering why my mind created it or what
protocol factors influenced it, than looking for some way to make the
information 'right' by some other perspective on what it means. :-) PJ
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#613
From: "De Garcia"
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.4) deann_garcia90....com
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PJ:
I have had similar experiences when I've done a target created by someone else.
I was in the intended target area, but went inside the person thinking of the
target.
I believe that it was because of the way he set his intention for the target.
He was at an event and pictured himself viewing what he wanted me to see and
that is what I picked up on, instead of just focusing on the subject matter. I
then picked up on his emotions, what he had for lunch, how he felt and what he
saw. I have experienced that the 'universe/matrix' is very literal (sp?), and
what you perceive is what is created.
I am now very cautious with really explaining how to create targets when someone
offers to do one for me.
You really do come up with some great discussion subjects....many thanks,
De
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From: "Nita...ulse.com"
Date: Mon Aug 26, 2002 10:48 am
Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.4) nitahickok
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Hi PJ
I have been in a target where I go up and down and pick up the occurances
that happened in a place. I get the emotions, and yes even snippets of song.
I have never written the songs down and will now do so. I don't think anyone
can ever judge what they will get in a target.
A scrub brush or tree might have existed when a stagecoach robbert
happened. It might have something buried at its roots. Instead it was the
taskers emotions attributing to what you got.
It was interesting that you picked up the emotional impact from the phots
I believe that old photographs really do carry the emotions and feelings of
the person no matter how old they are.
Nita
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