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From: greenmn900...
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900...
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Glyn,
Thanks! I appreciate it. That was a subject I've given a lot of thought to
over the years and I finally realized the tasker's intention isn't nearly as
important as the RVers is. The Rver needs to always have a clear
understanding of what they are trying to do. I was hesitant about
disagreeing with Dick on his own board but I really feel that he's looking at
it from the wrong perspective. It's not a question of whether the energy
signature from the target is stronger than the energy from the taskers'
thoughts. It's more a question of whether the RVer is trying to view the
target or please the tasker - THAT's the situation that leads to telepathic
overlay, imo.
You wrote:
> " I used to think along those lines too at
> the beginning, but now I think that it may
> go a bit like this........." (snip)
I think you're really onto something here. (That was pretty funny too. It
wouldn't surprise me if happens almost exactly like that, lol!) Basically,
when left to its' own devices, the subconscious will just peek into the
future and RV the feedback! Right?
What I've tried to keep clear in my mind goes like this:
If it's a picture target, I'm basically RVing my feedback - I want to get
what that image is in the envelope.
If it's an outbound target (we don't use a beacon person, just an address and
a photo of the location in the envelope), then I'm trying to RV the location
at the time I will go there to get feedback. That way, I sometimes get cars
that are parked there, and transitory stuff like that. (Stuff that might not
be there at the time I'm doing the session but will be when I go for
feedback)
If it's a question/statement target, I'm trying to get any and all
information that will answer the question/statement in the envelope.
If it's a precog target (which are always picture targets whe we do them), I
tell myself to RV the next picture target I will see when I open the envelope.
I really think this issue is another example of why working double blind is
SO important. RVing double blind removes the problem entirely. The tasker
has no idea what the target is either.
Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to link to it or cross-post or what
ever you want.
Warm Regards,
Don
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#2018
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Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:41 am
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates terri8008
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IMO, The fine art of tasking (I gather it's disappearing?) tasking is very
important, and I prefer it, as I don't like target pools, hate photos, but
that's just the way I am.
Tasking is an amazing skill and tasker can hold you tight, keep you on the
straight and narrow and/or move you to each and every detail in one session
or 4 or 44.. also there is, are sub tasking-s, which to my knowledge I have
only experienced once, it was put together by a master tasker. How areyou
going to have, create, include a sub tasking without a tasker(if you were
going to that extent on a project.)
Also in my adventurous tasking (learning) I did manage one time to
communicate a shape an object in the task(sort of a subtask), curious to see
if the viewers did pick up on my NV(non verbal communication in any way shape
or form), one viewer did report it to me spot on at the end of session,also
did nail the tgt.
And I have played around after working the viewer in the past and present on
site then moving them to the 'future' or future event, I could not have
moved-directed the viewer without retasking..
Tasking is a very fun thing to work . . . and in my case and the way I work,
I have to totally thoroughly trust the tasker and the monitor.
another note viewing the feedback (as opposed to the actual site), that
is/was another no no, but again just the way I was raised.. but I guess, or
as I understand that's what you strive for in certain ARV practice. Just
another learned RV or PSI skill I guess
all the best ~~Terri
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#2020
From: greenmn900...
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900...
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Hi Terri,
> You wrote:
> "Tasking is an amazing skill and tasker
> can hold you tight, keep you on the
> straight and narrow and/or move you to each
> and every detail in one session
> or 4 or 44."
The above sentence confused me. Are you referring to tasker, monitor, or
both combined in the same person?
> You wrote:
> "another note viewing the feedback
> (as opposed to the actual site), that
> is/was another no no, but again just
> the way I was raised..."
But if you visit the site of an outbound target, that IS feedback - but maybe
you didn't do outbounds, I don't know. Do you mean you were trained in a
method where you never got to see how well you did? You never got the chance
to compare your perceptions to the target? That seems like an awful hard way
to learn.
Regards,
Don
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Moderator's note: I think an interesting question is, in a sort of holographic
universe, and in a process that is probably sourcing psi info from god only
knows how many directions (including one's own future, the feedback, and
potentially everybody who's ever had any relationship to the target at all, from
a visit to a view to a tasking, etc.), how can we really say that the target
photo is separate from the target?
The viewer's intent is what drives the session and does the RV version of
Occam's Razor down to "what is most important" (or in the case of many taskings,
"What is more interesting, because they weren't specific otherwise").
In training, feedback is feedback. If you're shown a photo from 10 years ago
Spring and the target was the location now, in Winter, if you are told or tasked
to view the target in Winter then THAT is your feedback -- "this, modified by
season and time". If you were not told, or not told preferably before seeing
the photo, then your dominant feedback would be the photo, so obviously that is
what you'd be expected to have described -- pulling a private tasking (not
telling the viewer) and giving non-matching feedback is a good way to seriously
torque the whole learning theory that drives half of this.
So it seems to me that this leaves one with a few options:
1. Viewer sees feedback, bases session on feedback as target (you can't separate
site and feedback in this case, they are 2 of a zillion sources of data, the
viewer parses down to what they think is most important or interesting,
regardless).
2. Viewer sees feedback, but is told something different was the goal. In this
case, the 'telling' is the 'real' feedback and so if one gave data based on the
directive, you still couldn't say you weren't just viewing your feedback. But,
giving additional feedback (the photo) that isn't what was desired will increase
the chance of that bleeding into the session.
3. Viewer sees no feedback, and is simply told whether or not he described the
'real target site'. Well that's still feedback, so see #2 ab
ove.
I think in reality, the universe within us is available to describe whatever is
most relevant about a target. Whether we describe some photo feedback, describe
the target site, describe a different thing 10 years previous which amazingly
enough matches the pattern/info of the target site, whether we describe our
feedback (and as much of that is mental, assumptive, etc. as formal), none of it
really matters as long as the data we end up with fulfills the needs for which
it is collected.
And much of that goes back to the viewer driving the session. Who is in charge
-- the viewer, the tasker, the end-user, the analyst, etc. -- the viewer's own
psychology will decide some of this regardless of what "should" be the case.
The viewer may describe something in an ops target that goes in a file and is
not useful, only to have a detective pick it up 9 years later, see that one
thing, and it's the piece that breaks the case. It may be that for reasons we
don't know at this point, all of that was known on some level by the fuller-self
of the viewer, and that was the decision made.
I think it's entirely possible that in a split second we have an immense amount
of data, and that depending on our talents and skills, we can wrap this into
seeming almost literal, linear and physical, fly through it, bilocate into it,
and so forth.... but in my view, this might be the same as it is for physical
reality -- it might be little more than a holographic projection of an internal
energy pattern. It might be that we never "go" anywhere -- to the target or a
picture, to the present or our future feedback -- we just use that model concept
for convenience.
If there isn't really any time or space, where could we go? When?
-- PJ
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#2021
From: greenmn900...
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900...
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PJ,
There you go, twisting my mind around again. LOL!! You do that all the time!
> You wrote:
> "I think an interesting question is, in a sort of
> holographic universe," (snip) " how can we really
> say that the target photo is separate from the target?"
Well ,we can't really. Because in the holographic model, everything is
everything, and everything is part and parcel of everything. It's all the
same. It's not even really correct to say '"it's an aspect" of the target.
> You wrote:
> " pulling a private tasking (not telling the viewer)
> and giving non-matching feedback is a good way to
> seriously torque the whole learning theory that
> drives half of this."
I think it's a good way to seriously torque the mind of the viewer as well.
RV is such a difficult learning process to begin with, without at least a
little positive reinforcement, you're left with nothing but negative
reinforcement. So the viewer knows they aren't doing it right but they don't
know how or why they aren't doing it right. It leaves the RVer stumbling
around in his/her own mind with less than zero understanding of a process
that's damned difficult to understand under the best of conditions.
In the best of cases, as much feedback as is known regarding the target is
exactly what is given to the viewer. The more the Rver sees as feedback, the
more likely they are to give additional information that is NOT present in
feedback. They have more "jumping off points", so to speak, for gathering
additonal information above and beyond what is curently known regarding the
target. Of course, if there's a chance the Rver may have to revisit the
target again at some future point, you may not want to give ALL information
that is known about the target. But then again, if the RVer is going to be
operating under the double blind protocol, why not? The Rver will not know
when s/he is working this target again anyway.
Warm Regards,
Don
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Moderator's note: Ha! Actually, shortly into the target the viewer MAY know
what it is, subconsciously or consciously, at which point, all intellectual
'knowns' from previous feedback would matter. I'm sorry now that my target pool
is so damn big. I wanted to do a lot more repeat targets. I have two of
everything in there, but some I keep adding, and I still have like 700 targets
to go! LOL! At this rate if I don't get off my butt it'll be years! PJ
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From: "Eva "
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:31 am
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates k9caninek9
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Speaking of weird tasking, here's one that can be fun. Try
deliberately double tasking a session. For instance, say the target
is both the Eiffel Tower AND suchandsuch white water rafting. You do
one session and yet have two targets. Hilariously, your mind can
easily find stuff that both tasks have in common and can give you a
kind of dual answer. You might get stuff like, groups of people out
to see the sights and have fun, outdoors, blue sky, wind, mountains
nearby, plants, bright clothes, vacation, laughing, etc. It's
amazing how many things 2 targets can have in common and often it's
stuff that the conscious mind would never think of. Since I do
wildcards, I can play this game on myself without inflicting it on
others, LOL! But it has been fun most definitely. If you have
viewers that don't mind a little bit of experimentation from time to
time, it can be a fun thing to try.
-E
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Moderator's note: What a coincidence, Don and I were just talking about this!
Not done deliberately though. I've had various protocol accidents that resulted
in two different targets being assigned, and seen the data that results... a
conglomerate, but often how data from one will wrap into the other as if the
mind is looking for points of commonality. PJ
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From: "Viv"
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates eclecticviv
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Hi Eva:
This kinda thing happens frequently, doing ARV. Even
with the best of RV'rs this will still happen to a small
degree. What you suggest as a fun tasking, is a good
practice idea though, because it gives a clearer idea of the
strong similarities between targets, that visually, may
seem very different at first. An example of this, might be
the similarities of descriptives and even sketches, that
might result if one were doing a session with two photos,
one of a large skeleton of a museum dinosaur exhibit, and
the other of a mining excavator.
Increased knowledge of similar descriptors between two
or more targets would seem an advantage to the tasker,
when making decisions about pairing or combining
different targets, for possible viewer sessions.
Viv*
> It's
> amazing how many things 2 targets can have in common and often it's
> stuff that the conscious mind would never think of.
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From: greenmn900...
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900...
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PJ,
I HATE doing practice targets more than twice! I bet I haven't done it more
than a dozen times - which, since you know how many targets I've done, you
can imagine the work load that has put on my wife, Sheila. Hell, I owe
everything to her patient, reliable tasking.
The times I have done repeat targets, though, it was interesting to me that I
usually had no idea I had done the target before. There HAVE been times,
quite a lot lately, when I knew what the target was early into the session.
But I don't recall it ever happening on repeat practice targets.
But you're right, if the viewer has seen ALL the feedback, it would influence
a repeat tasking - quite a bit.
Warm Regards,
Don
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Moderator's note: I love it! I love seeing the different data I get, and on
some occasions, feeling the commonalities and kind of wondering... PJ
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From: "Eva "
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:14 am
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates k9caninek9
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> Don wrote:
> when left to its' own devices, the
> subconscious will just peek into the
> future and RV the feedback! Right?
Or maybe the subconscious simply knows what the target is in the same
way as it knows how to go to the target and get the info. Why would
it need to go to the future? It doesn't need to go to the future to
tell you what's on Mars does it? (not my likely future anyway)
> What I've tried to keep clear in my mind goes like this:
> If it's a picture target, I'm basically RVing my
> feedback - I want to get
> what that image is in the envelope.
I always say you are going to the time and location that the photo
represents. Otherwise, you are talking about rving ARV style and
getting a flat piece of paper with various colors and lines on it.
I see there has been some interesting chitchat here. I regret that I
may not find the time to catch up.
-E
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#2032
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana
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Aloha PJ,
> I wanted to do a lot more repeat targets.
> I have two of everything in there, but some
> I keep adding, and I still have like 700
> targets to go! LOL! At this rate if I don't
> get off my butt it'll be years! PJ
Why not put the currant finished sessions (TIDs) in a seperate file...
for a while ...and when an appropriate number of them have
accumlated...then you know that you will get at least one of them ...that
has been seen before...from that group... and also that might make it
clearer that the first larger group ... has less of those already
seen,,,...Might be some interesting learning from that...or not...
Gotpsi's card tests are somewhat along that vein...One knows that the
picutre that is 'under' the card will be one of a small number of
images...and will have been seen many times...I have no idea what this
effect is.ultimately..but
I do know that out of a couple thousand card games...I have absolutely
known which photo was going to appear...and was even correct ...enough
times to impress myself... when the feeling was especially fertile...
Of course...there are always those times when I 'feel' so on
target...and I am not!...I hate when that happens...and it happens more
often than not!...hahah
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:56 am
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates terri8008
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> straight and narrow and/or move you to each
> and every detail in one session
> or 4 or 44."
(from Don)The above sentence confused me. Are you referring to tasker,
monitor, or
both combined in the same person?
. . . . The tasker. Monitor wouldn't know the target (except in training,
monitor wearing both hats).
i.e. when I task arecibo (in training) I bring the viewer in current time
from above(overview), second session is tasked right down inside the 'bowl'.
The great SF quake, I task tightly(date time location) 2 minutes before the
event(calm and serene), second session(tasking) is a few minutes into the
event, the quake(shake rattle and roll chaos). Thera I task moments before
the eruption (simply- describe environmentals), next task is right to the
heart of the eruption (move to the event), really catches the viewer off
guard. Interesting with Thera, in my experience, the fellas tend to AOL nuke
explosion or space shuttle blast off,stay earth bound, while the females tend
to (let go) get blown far and away wildly tumbling away from the earth. It's
a fun target to work. Anyway tasking works, and especially via the net or for
the net, IMO it's better to task a target in small steps, seems to work
better especially for newbies who have no sort of developed structure (tasker
can walk them thru or create, incorporate structure with the tasking)
> "another note viewing the feedback
> (as opposed to the actual site), that
> is/was another no no, but again just
> the way I was raised..."
(Don)But if you visit the site of an outbound target, that IS feedback - but
maybe
you didn't do outbounds, I don't know. Do you mean you were trained in a
method where you never got to see how well you did? You never got the chance
to compare your perceptions to the target? That seems like an awful hard way
to learn.
. . . . I was referring to RVing the feedback as opposed to the actual site,
and yes I have worked my fair share of outbounders, some resulting in
shocking mindblowing details, as you mentioned in another post of yours.
And yes there are numerous targets and tasking I never received feedback
from, and the only reason I figure I was on tgt is folks continued to use me,
and then or now when I work pay per view, folks have every right to withhold
feedback as they just pay for the info, the rest is none of my buisness.
Also not receiving feedback, it's way to keep in shape or get in shape stay
disciplined, there's no guessing no AOL, thers no reason as your never going
to know..
You can be scored on hit or miss your percentage, but after a while you
'know' when your on tgt and when your just screwing around in session.
another comment, where I dropped the ball Don.. the difference between flash
images (the shadow land grainy ones) AOL and bilocation, all three are
distinctly different, AOL is very apparent to me and I bury it or blind
myself to it immediately, it will ruin or trash my whole session(I feel, I
think, it's been my experience if you don't acknowledge AOL it disappears, it
fails to come up or surface any longer). Flash images have been very
accurate, and have a quality all their own. If you visit the feedback site
and have had a flash image during session you;ll find much detail, detail not
incorporated in the 'flash', even tho the 'flash' is accurate in every other
way. bilocation, well you know when that hits you, certainly not an AOL and
much longer duration as opposed to a 'flash'..
all the best ~~Terri
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#2027
From: greenmn900...
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:19 am
Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900...
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Eva,
> You wrote:
> "Or maybe the subconscious simply knows
> what the target is in the same
> way as it knows how to go to the target
> and get the info. Why would
> it need to go to the future? It doesn't
> need to go to the future to
> tell you what's on Mars does it? (not
> my likely future anyway)"
We were basically discussing what happens when the tasker isn't clear about
exactly what the target is, if that causes overlay problems, etc. Glyn's
line of thought is that if all else fails, the mind just RVs it's own
feedback and I agreed that's probably the case. We were sort of speculating
on what the mind does when it doesn't have a clear target.
When I use phrases like "going to the future" or "going to the target", I'm
just using them as tools for conversation. Actually, I don't believe time or
space really exist at all - or maybe I should say that they exist to such
infinite degrees that there existence has no real meaning. I go with the
holographic theory that everything is part of everything and all time is now
- past, present, and future are just a matter of where things are in relation
to your present point of perception. That's my point of view, anyway.
Welcome back!
Best Regards,
Don
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From: greenmn900...
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:31 am
Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900...
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E,
You been snooping around in mine and PJs' brains? lol! We WERE just talking
about that! It just happened to me a couple days ago, too.
My wife and I have been running a little experiment where she tries to send
me messages at some point during the day. We're trying to see if I can pick
up on the time that she does it and what the message is. It just so happened
that she was doing it while I was trying to RV. (My wife didn't know this,
she's out of town right now.) Like you said, I got elements of both and my
mind was trying desperately to fit the two together.
Best Regards,
Don
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Moderator's note: What impressed the hell outta me was that you specifically
*named* her target and then cascaded conceptually back into the RV target. I'm
thinking you and your wife should be doing outbounder trials. :-) PJ
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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana
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Aloha Eve,
> (Nowadays, I think coords exist mostly as a
> place to launch indeograms and also as a
> mental security blanket.{
I agree with your analysis...
I think TID's are also great for keeping ones sessions catalogued...
differientiates them for me......I can put then together
chronologically...
and I have papers all over the place...I can find the one diagrams I
want... by the number at times...haha...and I think the TIDs are
especially good for beginners...gives them a seeming crutch/support(your
term 'blanki' was best)... untill they get their psi legs...
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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#2031
From: "Bo Kindstrand <031-7115905...om>" <031-7115905...om>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates bokindstrand
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The sub has very little understanding of time if none IMO. The
future or the past has also very little meaning for the
subconscious. Everything is present at every moment.
I like your holistic approach Don but at the same time I believe
that both Time and Space do exist as I am there right now.
So I think its quit okay to use the phrases
> "going to the future" or "going to the target"
And that this then is what really actually happens.
But a little bit simplified if you "downsize" this holistic
four-dimensional universe with one dimension. You get a
three-dimensional space and something that fills out for the
upcoming vacuum of missing dimension: and that is Time.
And this three-dimensional space with a fourth dimension
stands completely open at one side...and this is the reason why
RVers has no difficulty to move forward and backward at
amazing ease in Time.
The brain of course is the Interface between the outer projected
Universe and the inner (holistic) One.
As a matter of fact each human brain is an exact replica and
representation of the universe at the very moment of birth and
represents one unique moment in this outer Universe.
But this is just my belief structure of course.
Bo
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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana
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Aloha Eve,
Me too!...I am really behind...but intend to catch up...Eventually...
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
> I see there has been some interesting
> chitchat here. I regret that I
> may not find the time to catch up.
> -E
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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana
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Aloha Eve & PJ,
When I first started at PIA...I had a terrible time not getting both
photos...It was quite frustrating at times for me... thank goodness and
practice... that I overcame this...but never thought of doing it on
purpose ...for fun!...hahah...
I am just greatful it stopped......but I did learn a lot from
it...mainly how not to let it happen...hahaha...(crosses fingers)
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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#2038
From: greenmn900...
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:51 pm
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Bo,
> You wrote:
> "I like your holistic approach Don but
> at the same time I believe that both Time
> and Space do exist as I am there right now."
Ah, but you are WHERE right now? And what is NOW? Both concepts can only be
objectified to some degree by comparison to the rest of time/space, which is
actually an unending wholeness.
I understand seeing it the way you do. That's how we operate in the
day-to-day world. It makes sense on the surface.
But for me, it's like this: everything is literaly connected to everything
else at the quantuum level. So, to be able to claim that you are any "where"
only has meaning in that it relates to some "where" else. So, any point in
space can only be described or located in reference to, or relative to,
somewhere else. That's what I meant when I said there's no such thing as
time/space or that they exist to such infinite degrees as to lose all
meaning. No "place" can really be seperated from everywhere else, except in
conceptual, speaking terms.
The same thing goes for time. Without physical matter, there is no way to
measure time. We never *really* measure time anyway, we just measure
physical processes like the earth's rotation around the sun or the decay of
atomic particles, things that seem stable and predictable enough to be used
as a reference point.
I used to see that famous quote of Einstein's a lot, "Time is an illusion,
albeit a stubborn one" or something to that effect. I couldn't understand
that because there's always cause-and-effect which proves time is real,
right? I mean, if I drop an egg on the ground, it won't break until AFTER
I've dropped it. The dropping HAS to happen BEFORE. If there is such a
thing as before and after, then there HAS to be such a thing as time, right?
But then I realized that once again, I was only measuring physical processes,
not time itself.
Eventually, I decided to just go along with the quantuum physicists and agree
that time is not real and space isn't either. But it's still a problem I try
to avoid grappling with head-on. It gives me a headache! lol! We all have
to find belief structures that work for us as individuals and allow us to do
the things we do in RV without too much cognitive dissonance. My problem is
that alot of the things I believe, or think I semi-understand, I can't find
the words to express - I usually have to leave that part up to Palyne, lol.
Best Regards,
Don
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Hi Don,
You said:
My problem is that alot of the things I believe, or think I
semi-understand, I can't find
the words to express - I usually have to leave that part up to Palyne,
lol.
LOL! I find it extremely difficult getting some of my thoughts into words
too, and it's really frustrating.
I actually think (well currently anyway), that we access our 'future
memory' of the target. I do not think we view the feedback directly, so no
flat photographic paper and borders and things.:-)..............but I do
think we access our memories of *having seen* the feedback, and our
resulting overall concept, including all the thoughts/emotions we may have
had when we received it, and any subsequent visit or associated information
we may receive about the target.
I think also that we can access those memories at any point in our
future. This is the bit I find difficult to get into words..........the
trick may be not to access our future memories at a point that is too late
(and therefore the facts of the target may have become mixed with
association, discussion, imagination or even other happenings at the time of
feedback that were interesting...and this could perhaps be the cause of
displacement or apparent 'overlay')...................... nor should we
access the memories too early ( if an operational target for instance, we
may get half-formed event(s); probabilities which may not have become the
final outcome).
However, although I do tend to think it's a future memory thing, I'm not
sure I 'sign up' to Dunne's explanation of serial time being the way it
works.....in fact modern theories of 'holographic universes' would do as
well IMO.
However, whichever way our sub (or whatever it is that does the work)
experiences time, whether it be serially, all at once, or even if there is
no time at all..........to our conscious minds the feedback *is in the
future*, and we can't work any other way as our conscious minds need linear
time to stay anchored in workable reality, so we have to interpret the
information in those terms (Hope I'm making myself clear here..... ..which
is highly unlikely :-))
I'm sorry PJ, but my thinking about all this is in a bit of a state of
flux at the moment, which is why I haven't replied to the mail you sent;
there are 'holes' in my understanding of Dunne's ideas which I need to
either plug or go on to something else :-).
Ah well, as long as we all carry on listening and reading and thinking and
wondering and contributing to the 'pot'. That's the most important thing.
:-)
Grins,
Glyn
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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:38 pm
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greenmn900... wrote:
> Ah, but you are WHERE right now? And what is NOW? Both concepts can only be
> objectified to some degree by comparison to the rest of time/space, which is
> actually an unending wholeness.
>
etc, etc, etc....
Hi Don,
And I thought the Abbot and Costello Who's On First? routine was complicated !
:)
Rich
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Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:29 am
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Hi Glyn,
No I think you did a very good job of describing what you believe. That's a
very interesting concept. I mean, the "future memory" thing is a pretty
commonly-held notion. I think Joe M. was the first I ever heard put this
idea out in regards to RV.
But your ideas about *when* we access those future thoughts having an impact
on things like overlay and the preciseness of our impressions is one I've
never heard before. It makes a lot of sense to me. It could have a huge
impact on how well we do in applications. It could also mean that learning
to move along a timeline while in-session could be one of the most important
skills an Rver can learn.
Best Regards,
Don
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Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:53 am
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Hi Don,
I think Joe M. was the first I ever heard put this
idea out in regards to RV.
Dunne first published his theory in 1927, he didn't mention RV of course
(way after his time), but as an explanation of how psi could work it is
fascinating isn't it? I would be interesting in reading Joe's views on it.
But your ideas about *when* we access those future thoughts having an
impact
on things like overlay and the preciseness of our impressions is one I've
never heard before. It makes a lot of sense to me. It could have a huge
impact on how well we do in applications. It could also mean that
learning
to move along a timeline while in-session could be one of the most
important
skills an Rver can learn.
Years ago when I used to lurk on UseNet a guy told me of an experience he
had with a precognitive dream which was a perfect illustration of him having
accessed his future memories at different periods. I have been wracking my
brain to remember exactly what he said as it was 'illuminating'. I will
post it if I remember.
Trouble is Don, I have a poor memory, always have, so if I'm ever trying
to access my memories from the past I feel sorry for me :-), ...well maybe
that explains why I'm not a brilliant RVer. LOL!
As well as hitting the correct 'spot' in the future, it It may be that we
have to train our powers of observation/memory in the present in order to
help us be good RVers in the past; if you get what I mean (if FM theory is
in any way correct)........Now Joe (as a Gov't agent..and people like him),
would probably have had to be very good at that I would have thought.
Another thing to ponder :-)
Kind regards,
Glyn
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Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:17 am
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Rich,
You wrote: (I wrote)
'> Ah, but you are WHERE right now? And what is NOW? Both concepts can only
be
> objectified to some degree by comparison to the rest of time/space, which is
> actually an unending wholeness.
>
You wrote:
etc, etc, etc....
Hi Don,
And I thought the Abbot and Costello Who's On First? routine was complicated!"
That's why I try not to think about it too much. I start changing my mind
back and forth, back and forth - I end up with mental whiplash and don't know
what the hell I believe anymore! LOL!
Best Regards,
Don
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