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#3613
 	From: "pjgaenir" 
Date: Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:50 am
Subject: Time, Space & Identity: What we really ask for 	pjgaenir
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Hi Glyn. I'm using my laptop now, and I'm so much more comfortable. But they
keyboard makes me type like I'm retarded, so have pity.

Let us say time either doesn't exist or is one point.  This infers space is too,
they're linked. Now, if time and space aren't real or linear, what does that
mean for my  mental model, for how I think of myself doing RV?  I don't need to
go into the past with target, future with feedback, if its all NOW.  I don't
need to go 'over there' to the location, because it's all HERE.

I suspect Abraham Lincoln resides 'in' us in the same way Bangladesh and 1941
do.  That we don't need to talk to our alternate selves, to our future self(s),
although we can do that if we like--I believe we use ALL sources of psi-derived
info, depending on what we are most comfortable and familiar with.

So for example if a person is more 'used to' psi based on info from others
(salespeople are probably good this way), they might tune slightly more into
that.  They might be better at people targets, they might be extra stunning when
working even slightly out of db protocol as they've also likely got major
physiological sensitivity, but they might be more susceptible to problematic
tasker or group psi interdependence (eg overlay) just from 'biasing' their
acceptance of info in that direction.

If another person is comfy/famil with psi based on their future they might tune
slightly more into that.  They might be better at matching feedback but might be
more susceptible to feedback errors affecting the session.

This is all just hypothetical. But I suspect the 'source' of psi info is always
the ONE--me.here.now.--I don't need to go anywhere in time, I don't need to go
anywhere in space, and I don't technically need to go anywhere in identity,
because all the info is right here, right now, in ME.

But if I am not used to paying attention to 'ME' in this way, then that is still
work, though.  And I suspect most of us aren't.

Maybe the version of info we get depends on how we conceptualize it.  By the
mental models we hold, perhaps we are custom-ordering exactly what combination
of energy/info we wish. A filter that strengthens some aspects and weakens or
even hides others.

Maybe we are ordering the spanish omelette instead of the western omelette,
depending on how we think about it, but we don't realize that our mental models
are affecting our data, so we think that what we get served is just some
unfathomable variable that the waiter must be deciding for us. ;-)

Maybe how we think about psi has as much to do with the info we get as who we
are as individuals.

PJ

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#3749
 	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Thu Jan 8, 2004 2:52 pm
Subject: RE: Time, Space & Identity: What we really ask for 	glynis5799
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Hi PJ,

Sorry I have taken so long to reply to this, there are more to come too :-)

> Let us say time either doesn't exist or is one
> point.  This infers space is too,
> they're linked. Now, if time and space aren't
> real or linear, what does that
> mean for my  mental model, for how I think of
> myself doing RV?  I don't need to
> go into the past with target, future with feedback,
> if its all NOW.  I don't need to go 'over
> there' to the location, because it's all HERE.

You may be right. It is perhaps easier for us to think of 'going into the
future' to access the information, rather than to think of it as lifting the
veil which normally confines us to this 'reality', and  taking a peek all the
other info we have in our minds but are not consciously aware of, because time
is not linear after all. Maybe cause and affect and duration are illusions which
are necessary for us to be able to survive in the physical (just why we'd want
to if we had alternatives I don't know..but that's another discussion;-).  Maybe
everything is all rolled up into one bundle of  'now' as you suggest. I have
often gone down that line of thinking though, and I end up at the same
conclusion when I do&..that all is set in stone and free-will is only an
illusion. Not a nice thought, but maybe not so if there are probabilities to
play with.:-).

> So for example if a person is more 'used to' psi
> based on info from others (salespeople are probably
> good this way), they might tune slightly more into
> that.  They might be better at people targets, they
> might be extra stunning when working even slightly
> out of db protocol as they've also likely got major
> physiological sensitivity, but they might be more
> susceptible to problematic tasker or group psi
> interdependence (eg overlay) just from 'biasing' their
> acceptance of info in that direction.

Yes, I guess that like in everyday life, we listen out for things that interest
us, and they attract us more, so we would probably do that when doing 'psi'
sensing too (Dammit, I wish I could fathom out the formatting on my mailer, it's
all over the place..grrr :-)).

> Maybe the version of info we get depends on how we
> conceptualize it.  By the mental models we hold,
> perhaps we are custom-ordering exactly what combination
> of energy/info we wish. A filter that strengthens
> some aspects and weakens or even hides others.

Could be, and each of us would have slightly different filters, and so the
conflicting perceptions of others may cause bumping and conflict and knock us
awry more times than we would like, so that may be why our results are so
unpredictable.

> Maybe we are ordering the spanish omelette instead
> of the western omelette, depending on how we think
> about it, but we don't realize that our mental models
> are affecting our data, so we think that what we get
> served is just some unfathomable variable that the
> waiter must be deciding for us. ;-)

There is one thing for sure, however it works there is probably a heck of a lot
more to it than it may appear to be, and we are not even sure what it does
appear to be yet.  LOL!

Cheers PJ,

Glyn

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#3751
 	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:09 am
Subject: Re: Time, Space & Identity: What we really ask for 	ozblueriver
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> Maybe everything is all rolled up into one bundle
> of  'now' as you suggest. I have often gone down
> that line of thinking though, and I end up at the same
> conclusion when I do...that all is set in stone and
> free-will is only an illusion. Not a nice thought,
> but maybe not so if there are probabilities to
> play with.:-).

Hi Glyn,

*If* we are free to make choices in the past (which are now set in stone), then
maybe the same applies to the future. It is set in stone and yet we make choices
as we go.

The accuracy of astrology rattles my thinking. Maybe our choices were made for
our whole life before we began to unravel it.
Or maybe the pattern of who we are attracts certain situations so it just
appears certain things will inevitably happen.

It's mind bending to think of all the possibilities.
cheers
Liz